把值得记住的表达，慢慢收集。

取得最佳结果

And usually actually the pairing of like two things that have tension with each other is where you get the best result.

编写代码

It is about solving business problems with technology, which has historically included a lot of writing code.

计算机软件

So to your point, I was running a computer software company.

高质量数据

But it's hard for us to scale quality data at the level we need to.

几个月；两三个月

But even since then, it feels like there's been so much of this change in just a couple of months.

垃圾进，垃圾出（输入质量差则输出质量差）

And so that adage of garbage in garbage out is still totally true.

记忆层

Walrus Memory is a portable memory layer that lets your agent store context for later use across tools.

实际上；事实上

But in reality, like, you're not monitoring anything.

金融服务（行业）

For example, at Galileo, you know, we've been working with financial services, telecom companies, retail, healthcare.

计算机科学

Yeah, I think, you know, people keep saying, oh, there's no point in doing computer science now.

让我们谈谈……

Well, let's talk about a specific memory type, maybe procedural memory, for example, here.

合成数据

How can we add synthetic data that you can use to test this against to again improve?

明年

What do you think we need to do now to be able to unlock these capabilities next year?

技术栈

But I want to learn a bit more about how Twilio actually arrived at this approach and this tech stack to build agents.

众矢之的；引发争议的焦点

But it's become a lightning rod because, obviously, there are all kinds of positives and negatives to this.

从……中抽出时间

And Anush, I really appreciate you taking time out of your busy schedule and taking time out of this incredible event to join us here on Chain of Thought.

音频文件

Two, all you get is the audio file.

网络搜索

Yeah, so I guess you're kind of talking through how information retrieval generally works at web search scale.

资本支出

That's an enormous amount of capital expenditure to go out and train a model.

新模型

As we, again, notice we follow the news, there are new models released every day.

现代；当今时代

Not everyone at this point, but I think anyone who is looking to accelerate in the modern era is not writing code by hand.

之后；后来

And then later on, there might be a new agent-native operating system.

自然语言

So you can just type in a natural language query, and you can get pretty incredible response.

开源的；开放源代码的

I think we both envision open source AI agents having this opportunity to shape the future of AI.

长尾；小众但数量众多的部分

But even then, it can still not have the knowledge for specific domains and even less so in long tail languages.

最终发生的情况是

And so what ends up happening is you get hundreds and hundreds of emails a day.

试一试；尝试一下

And I will definitely link this in the show notes so people who are listening and want to give it a whirl or just read a bit about what Cisco's up to here can consume it.

市政供水系统

But from what I can tell, it's about 3% of the water of the entire municipal water system.

代码库

So people have some idea of what's going on in code base, how it's changing, how it's evolving.

数据处理

They want us to do a little bit more of that data processing for them so that they can do more of the marrying the data with other external sources as well.

电子游戏

How did the video game industry enable today's AI boom?

淘金热；一窝蜂的逐利热潮

the way I like to help people think about Cisco is think about us as the picks and shovels company during the gold rush.

完全是另一回事；另一码事

I'm not going to dig too deeply into drone warfare, but that is a whole kettle of fish.

业务问题

they want to build something shiny and adopting some cool tech, right, but not necessarily solving a business problem.

取决于；根据

So, yeah, depending on the target that you have, you might have a lot of questions like this.

数十万；成千上万

And this is really important because we're publishing thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of cases a day.

感谢你抽出时间

I appreciate you taking the time to come on the show and super excited to get this out.

一大堆；许多

Three years elapsed from 1994 to 1997 and a whole bunch of stuff had changed.

需要团队协作的事

And if you don't make this a team sport, it doesn't work.

人工智能数据

There's so much opportunity in the AI data space, and Cohesity is definitely leading the way.

记录系统；权威数据源系统

When you do a transaction on your credit card, it goes into a system of record.

数据基础设施

Industry and enterprises have spent billions building data infrastructure to move data from one place to another place.

物理世界；现实世界

I had said every single interaction with the digital and physical world is mediated by an AI assistant.

负责

There is an organization out there that is called PJM and it is responsible for forecasting the load.

随意地；任意地

The master agent can call the other agents at will based on what it is supposed to deliver, and then it completes the whole job.

衡量性能

identify and avoid common coordination pitfalls, master context engineering for agent collaboration, measure performance with multi agent metrics, and much more.

几年

But I think this will be an area of research, active research in the next few years, at least two years maybe.

有利视角；观察点

And I have to imagine this gives you a varied perspective across the space, a unique vantage point even.

厌倦于；对……感到厌烦

It's like, I'm tired of having to restart a whole new conversation with Claude.

不太喜欢；不是很满意

So I think shipping always clarifies because users tell you, yeah, I like it, but I don't love it.